The United States is in the midst of a constitutional crisis following the shocking election fraud in the 2020 U.S. presidential election. In an exclusive interview with The New Times, retired U.S. Air Force Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney discusses five actions the President must take to address the dangers facing the United States today.
Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney is a highly respected general in the U.S. military, having served as Deputy Chief of Staff of the U.S. Air Force and Commander of the Pacific Air Forces in Alaska at the 11th Air Force. He graduated from the U.S. Military Academy in 1959 and earned a master’s degree in international relations from George Washington University in 1972. He served as a front-line air controller and fighter pilot during the Vietnam War, flying 407 combat missions and earning the Distinguished Service Medal, the National Defense Superior Service Medal, the Oak Leaf Medal of Honor, the Oak Leaf Distinguished Flying Cross, and many other awards. 1992, he rose to the rank of Deputy Chief of Staff of the U.S. Air Force. He retired from the Air Force after more than 16 years as a military analyst in television.
Barr Says There’s Not Enough Evidence of Election Fraud, McInerney Surprised
LIN Xiaoxu: General McInerney, thank you very much for joining us today. As you know, today’s breaking news is about Attorney General Barr’s statement to the Associated Press that the Justice Department hasn’t found enough evidence of massive election fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election. That shocked everybody.
McInerney: I’m (hearing) stunned. I’m a big fan of Attorney General Barr, but that statement stunned me because of the overwhelming evidence of what’s happening now. Attorney General Barr is familiar with “The Hammer” and “Operation Scorecard,” the application invented by the CIA whose program was hijacked by the Obama administration.
He won’t talk about it because he thinks too much about the fact that they (the CIA) may still be using it. However, it provides a wealth of information, I know. Because I know more than I can tell you on this phone call, but I was surprised when he said that.
The evidence left behind was clear and simple, and the exact time they used the scorecard application to transfer a vote for “Trump” to Biden could not have been clearer. So, what makes me dizzy is, why did he (Barr) say that? Is he really one of them ……? By the way, this is not fraudulent voting. It’s treason; it’s 6 to 10 states tied together to manipulate their data in order to control the U.S. government and the president and commander-in-chief. So it’s not something that can be brushed off.
It’s not dirty politics or tactics, it’s treason, and it’s essentially against the United States, the government, and the American people. So, when Barr said that, it shocked me; it stung me. Because if he really believes “what he says,” he’s not doing his job.
My next question is, is he (Barr) part of the deep state? Was he part of the treasonous activities? Why doesn’t the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) track this? It is so huge that it is the largest cyber warfare campaign in the world, especially in opposition to democratic elections.
Nothing is bigger. The founding fathers didn’t understand cyberwarfare, how could they? But they can finally create the conditions in which I and all the others, the president, the attorney general, the military, take an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
This is unconstitutional. They’re all foreigners, and China, Russia and Iran are involved in this, as well as American citizens, those involved in pushing the Russiagate investigation, those involved in the impeachment of the President. So we have to understand what we’re dealing with here. That’s the key, and the words mean a lot. When you say fraudulent voting, people don’t take it seriously. They know we’ve been doing this for years and it’s no big deal. But when you remove 150,000 or 138,000 ballots, one mouse button switch dramatically changes the outcome. Back to the point that Attorney General Barr made, which stunned me.
When did the FBI, the CIA, all suspected of treason, start their entire operation?
LIN Xiaoxu: General, you mentioned the FBI, the CIA, or involvement in these treasonous operations, and you also mentioned that the scorecard program was hijacked by the Obama administration. So, when was this whole operation actually initiated?
McInerney: It started with Trump coming down the golden escalator from Trump Tower, and it goes back that far, because their intent was to seize control. They’ve got control, but their intent is to continue to block it, after Trump is elected president.
By the way, they used “hammers” and “scorecards” in 2016 to get Hillary to win. That’s why she was so shocked when she lost. All I can tell you is that all that effort was for nothing, and that’s why she was so shocked. Now, they overshot it this time, and they didn’t even try to hide it.
Why this election fraud is so rampant
LIN Xiaoxu: General, when people talk about treason, people usually assume that actions involving treason should be secret. But in this case, the election fraud problem was so widespread, and much of the cheating was so blatant. So why are they doing this? It doesn’t seem to be covered up anymore.
McInerney: They went too far, because the vehicles that showed up showed whole truckloads of ballots that weren’t even folded, not even in envelopes. When you look at a state like Pennsylvania, 1.5 million ballot mailings were mailed. Sean, pay attention to this: they mailed out 1.8 million, but they collected 2.5 million ballots, so they have a printing plant that prints out these ballots.
How could Attorney General Barr and the FBI ignore this? This is absolutely the most egregious thing I’ve seen to date. But there are many more similar issues we could be talking about that support this compelling evidence. Every day more and more evidence comes out and more and more Americans are coming forward about their experiences with “election fraud”.
The Frankfurt Server Incident in Germany’s Perception of U.S. Military Control
Xiaoxu Lin: General, recently you talked about the military seizure of the Frankfurt server. Do you think that this military control operation should actually have been larger?
McInerney: Well, I think we would have to do that, in terms of the CIA server, I’m not sure why they would put the server there. When you move the data from the continental United States to Spain and then to Frankfurt, Germany, there’s a lot of people tracking it. I thought it had to be done, because I learned that the “Hammer” and “Scorecard” applications were used the Sunday before the election, November 1. I told Giuliani and Powell, and on Monday, November 2nd, I was on Bannon’s show, telling the world about it, and predicting what would happen if they used the Hammer and Scorecard. And they did, along with other software related to the Dominion machine.
So I think they decided to move their central server farm, which has all the information, to determine, if you will, what the votes should be recorded as. So they’re moving the servers to Frankfurt. And because they did it in such a hurry, I’m not sure if CIA Director Gina Haspel was responsible for that. After a struggle, the servers were intercepted by Special Forces, and I think Delta Force went in and took them.
We had those servers, and I checked with the White House. Colonel Waldron also confirmed it today or yesterday in Arizona. Kind of sketchy talk about casualties, I don’t know if that’s true. But it shows that the President has run into deep government problems, when the CIA is involved in influencing the American vote and the presidential election. There’s also judicial corruption, as demonstrated by Judge Emmet Sullivan, who went very far in the case of General Flynn.
And, of course, there are the congressional problems. Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi, for all that they did, including impeachment, for no real reason, did it because they could. They disgraced themselves. We have the separation of powers, judicial, executive and legislative. We have the power of deep government, and President Trump has to fight it, so he has five important things to do, and I think they’re extremely important, and he has to do them. In particular, Attorney General Barr’s position, we heard him say today that he hasn’t seen enough evidence. He’s ignoring it (the evidence).
Five actions that must be taken and why
Lin Xiaoxu: General, what are the five things you just mentioned? Please elaborate?
McInerney: Okay. First, he issued an executive order in September of 2018. That is, if any foreigner interferes in the election, then there will be a national emergency. The first thing that President Trump is going to do is to implement that plan, to implement the executive order that he issued.
LIN Xiaoxu: So, what you’re saying is that he should declare a national emergency, right?
McInerney: Yes, under that executive order a national emergency was declared and then he was supposed to implement the insurrection law. That was enacted in the mid-1800s. Why did you do that? Because from past experience Antifa and Black Lives Matter is going to have massive riots in major American cities, and they want to create chaos. They want to say that this is a president who is going crazy. So, the bill needs to be implemented.
Third, martial law needs to be declared. In terms of population, martial law is not much different than a blockade of a Chinese Communist virus epidemic, but what would it do? It allows us to go along with the insurgency law, the active duty military to carry out the mission, and that’s why the professional forces have to go. Secretary of Defense, that’s why former Green Beret Chris Miller became acting Secretary of Defense. The Pentagon has made personnel changes to make sure that the Defense Department is loyal.
LIN Xiaoxu: General, you made a number of strong statements tonight. Can you also tell us why you feel urgent about taking five steps?
McInerney: I think the president is in danger. I think he has to be very careful. They (Democrats) will do anything, Sean, anything to take over control of this government. The American people have to understand that. So it’s important. We’re talking about alerting the American people to the dangers that our country faces. But we have to take the kinds of actions that I’m suggesting. We are in a very dangerous position, and we cannot lose. We can either continue to move toward a constitutional republic or we can lose it.
We are transitioning to, as you’ve seen in some states, New York, California, what these Democratic governors are doing is killing businesses, closing restaurants, telling people what stores can stay open and what can’t, and that’s a totalitarian society. They are using the Chinese Communist virus epidemic as an excuse to get the American people to accept that. So it’s time for the American people to wake up and let the White House know that it should enforce the September 2018 executive order to activate the insurrection law and declare martial law; suspend the Habeas Corpus Act and establish military tribunals. These are all things that must be done in an emergency. This is a national emergency, and it’s about whether we will continue to move forward as a democratic republic, or whether we will move toward a totalitarian society.
Whether the 82nd Airborne will be deployed
LIN Xiaoxu: General, do you really think that one day the 82nd Airborne will be deployed to the streets of Washington, D.C.?
McInerney: Yes. You think, they’re not in Washington, D.C., they’re going to be somewhere. Because the 82nd Airborne was the first job I had when I graduated from West Point. It was only after that that I realized I wanted to be a fighter pilot, not a paratrooper.
But, as you know, when doing those things anyway, you have to take auxiliary actions. Some of the ancillary actions I would take include suspension of habeas corpus. So, why do that?
This is just like President Lincoln did during the Civil War, and Roosevelt. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt did the same in World War II. President Trump had to do it. This would allow for the arrest and incarceration of these people who had committed treason.
Then there would be military tribunals to try them. I don’t fully understand justice, (but) it’s so corrupt, as we saw with General Flynn. It’s not just Sullivan, those judges on the review panel are too political.
These are the things that need to be done to make sure this issue is addressed. In the meantime, there needs to be a bipartisan panel to review it. The president should choose the members of the bipartisan panel of experts. They have to be people who have access to all of this evidence and show the American people how corrupt it is, how massive cyber warfare has dramatically changed the data, and how all of the results have been reversed after midnight.
All of this wasn’t done in secret, it was done openly. And, what you and I don’t see is that we have other avenues, such as the “Kraken” and a few others. We are watching these, and we can tell you exactly when, how many votes for President Trump they transferred to Biden, etc. You need that level of specificity. You need that level of specificity.
But we see that in the lawsuits against those states, the judges are not making decisions. They were ambivalent. Those judges didn’t seize all those polling stations and didn’t stop them from purging the servers of data. This is something we have to address, because some of the judges in the state and federal courts are corrupt.
Chinese Communist Government Interference in the Election
Lin Xiaoxu: General, so generally speaking, since you mentioned the year of cyber warfare, many strategies and their implementation will have to be strictly controlled, right? Especially in this kind of invisible cyber warfare, the sources, methods, and tactics of attacks can change at any time. So dealing with cyber warfare is incredibly challenging. So at the same time, it’s crucial to know who the real enemy is, right? Many reports are now beginning to mention the possible involvement of Chinese Communist Party forces in the US election. What are your thoughts on these issues?
McInerney: What I want to say today is that I can’t yet confirm whether the Chinese government owns Dominion Software, not the software, but part of the Dominion voting hardware system. They invested $400 million in October of this year in a Swiss bank that owns the control functions of the Dominion software. So since October, they have had very significant influence. Now I don’t know what they and their supporters have done, because I just found out about it today, so I haven’t had a chance to investigate further. But I think it’s very important that we start investigating.
We know that the Chinese are involved in a number of other areas. We know that there was a supply chain problem, that the voting machines had servers with parts made in China. So there were backdoors in the system, and there were many other problems. It requires a full review by the Commission of our voting procedures, where we buy our machines from, and whether they are regulated, because every state is different.
Texas will not be using Dominion voting machines, not with it. Why? Because they found it too easy to manipulate, easy to change software, very easy, and the risk of cyber warfare. That’s why they don’t use it. But 30 other states are using it (Dominion). This should be brought to our attention.
Since the Founding Fathers set up this election system, the voting has been handled by the states themselves. So we’re going to have to make some changes in the future, and we’re going to have to be careful. Because this is not the last time we will have to face cyber warfare. And if we don’t solve it now, it will never be solved, because we will be entering an era of tyranny. Eventually (our country) will be at the mercy of social democrats or communists. Call it by either name, it’s all the same, just different names.
The Supreme Court Goes Court Martial
Lin Xiaoxu: Many people still believe in the judicial system, so many believe that cases in key swing states need to go to the Supreme Court. Perhaps in the end, Team Trump will get a fair trial and a fair outcome. So, from your statement, I understand that you’re actually saying that these legal battles are not enough in the current situation, is that correct?
McInerney: Here’s the thing, what role does the Supreme Court play? I don’t know. But military tribunals would have to be set up, and probably, if the president wanted to, report to them, or just to the secretary of defense, could they address that to some extent, I don’t know.
It’s easier to coordinate and understand the Supreme Court, because there’s only nine judges there. It’s different to understand each state. There are state judges there, the judicial system, the federal judicial system, and it’s even more complicated.
When is a Good Time to Impose Martial Law
Xiaoxu Lin: Of course, the timing is very important for any action. When do you think would be a good time for the Trump team to declare martial law?
McInerney: He (Trump) needs to explain why, seeing treasonous acts of this magnitude occurring in a cyber war of this magnitude, he needs to articulate this to the American people. He has very good information, and I believe there will be over 120 million people supporting him. He won, and he probably won the votes of about 85 million people.
I believe that many Democrats may not like Trump (imposing martial law), but they also don’t want a flawed justice system controlled by cyber warfare. They want an honest system. I’m sure a lot of Democrats will switch over to support it, probably not many at first, but it will depend on how clearly he articulates the issue and says it for what it is, which is treason. This is not a fraudulent vote. It’s treason against the country, the people and the government.
Therefore, I believe that the electoral college meeting on December 14 and the (presidential) inauguration needs to be postponed until a bipartisan commission comes to a conclusion. We cannot hand over this government to a group of people who are so cheating and treasonous, so why should we hand over our government to people who are guilty of treason.
Who are the people who should be trusted? Is Trump in danger?
Lin Xiaoxu: You just mentioned a bipartisan committee, but who can be trusted in both parties? Both Republicans and Democrats have enemies of Trump. So who can be trusted? Do you think that President Trump himself is in danger, and even in the White House, he’s still in danger.
McInerney: I think that’s up to President Trump and his team to communicate with people in both parties. Of course, Pelosi and Schumer would have gone crazy. But they had already been arrested at that point because they knew what was going on (election theft).
And we know exactly who knew, and who was involved. Let me put it this way, I can’t tell you how we knew, but we knew for sure who they were. With the help of martial law and military tribunals, they will be arrested and appropriate action will be taken against them. So honest people, honest people in whom there is no interest, who are honest Americans, in both parties, we know who they are. Because there are people in the Republican Party who oppose Trump, and that’s part of the problem. So we have to dig those people out and bring in people who we know are honest, we know who they are. We know who they are.
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